Final Thoughts

Final Thoughts

Written by John Packard

The scrap market created a lot of buzz over the past two months that resulted in, so far, two domestic steel mill price increases totaling $60 per ton ($3.00/cwt). I got a note over the weekend from one of the national companies who told me about the scrap markets, “There is a sense the market is overextended at this point, especially on prime grades.  I’m not sure we’ll necessarily see a significant pullback in April given ore-based metallics prices and robust demand, but a pause and/or slight pullback would not be surprising.”

The scrap markets ended up as follows:

HMS (heavy melt) = $275-$290 per gross ton

Shredded scrap = $315-$330 per gross ton

Prime grades (busheling) = $390-$415 per gross ton

Pig iron has limited availability at $380-$395 per metric ton, New Orleans (NOLA).

At the FMA Conference in New Orleans last week I asked SMA President, Philip Bell about the high tonnage of cold rolled and coated products still coming into the United States. He responded to my question and part of his answer referenced the amount of money the domestic mills are making on those two products as a reason why he did not believe there would be any more trade cases filed. Philip Bell will be participating in our 7th SMU Steel Summit Conference on August 28-30, 2017.

A note about our Steel 101: Introduction to Steel Making & Market Fundamentals workshop. We are sold out for our April 11-12, 2017 workshop in Toledo, OH and we have a wait list building. The workshop coming up after Toledo will be in Fontana (Los Angeles), California and our tour will be of the California Steel Industries steel mill. We will advise the exact dates as we are working on hotels right now but we are aiming for late June to no later than mid-July 2017. We hope to have all the details on our website by the end of this week. If you have any questions feel free to contact us at:

I will have more regarding a couple of the presentations from last week’s FMA/ASD Conference later this week. I am waiting for the Power Point presentations from a couple of the speakers.

I will be in the office all week this week and I can be reached at: or 800-432-3475.

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John Packard, Publisher

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