Final Thoughts

Final Thoughts

Written by John Packard

Scrap trading has been slow to develop in all but the Detroit area mills. The domestic steel mills are trying to reduce the spread between shredded scrap and prime grades of scrap (busheling and bundles) which in some cases has expanded to $70 per gross ton. Scrap guru Michael Marley reported this afternoon that the domestic mills are trying to shave $30 per ton off the spread. However, prices did settle in Detroit where prime grades were down $10 per gross ton while there was no change in obsolete grades.

Scrap is important as steel buyers watch the changes and use them as a hint as to what direction steel prices should go. If the mills get reductions of $20 per gross ton or more, look for buyers to demand reductions in their base prices. A service center executive told us that one of his mill sources was positioning him for a sideways move on scrap in August. However, we were told if there is a reduction in scrap their company would be asking for relief.

During my conversations with buyers today I heard a number of times concerns about the spread between hot rolled and cold rolled and coated pricing. One of the domestic mills we spoke with reported that they were seeing more competition especially on cold rolled. The mill reported cold rolled prices from foreign sources around $600 per ton ($30.00/cwt) at a time when domestic base prices are averaging $41.00/cwt.

A couple service centers wondered if the Europeans would begin taking notice and begin shipping more cold rolled and coated to the U.S. because of these attractive spreads in the numbers. In looking at the cold rolled license data report which was updated this evening the following European countries are exporting 5,000 net tons or more of CR to the United States during the month of July: Sweden, Turkey and Germany. Also of note is the 5,500 tons of CR exported by Hong Kong during the month of June… Vietnam was the largest CR exporter during July with 36,000 tons of license requests. Vietnam was followed by Canada and Mexico.

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We’ve all heard a lot about mill “discipline” following a wave of consolidation over the last few years. That discipline is often evident when prices are rising, less so when they are falling. I remember hearing earlier this year that mills weren’t going to let hot-rolled (HR) coil prices fall below $1,000 per short ton (st). Then not below $900/st. Now, some of you tell me that HR prices in the mid/high-$800s are the “1-800 price” – widely available to regular spot buyers. So what comes next, and will mills “hold the line” in the $800s?