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Final Thoughts
Written by Michael Cowden
May 2, 2023
Our hot-rolled coil price slipped modestly again this week. That wasn’t a surprise given the trends we’ve outlined in our newsletters over the last few weeks – shorter lead times, increased domestic output, and mills more willing to negotiate lower prices.
Declines often aren’t modest for long. Could we see bigger drops in two weeks or 1-2 months from now?
Big picture, the potential for larger future declines stems from some of the things we wrote about in the newsletter today. Scrap prices are lower in Turkey, often a bellwether of domestic scrap moves. Domestic scrap is widely expected to fall at least $30-50 per gross on for obsolete grades and perhaps by just as much for prime.
Demand is a concern in Turkey, as it is in China, where overproduction remains a problem. Meanwhile, two blast furnaces unexpectedly idled in March by ArcelorMittal in Europe look poised to come back online late this month or early next – just in time for the typically slower summer period.
China might not be able to ship much finished steel to the US because of prohibitive duties. But it can put pressure on markets abroad, which eventually results in pressure on US prices as well.
One possible result of unexpected weakness in China: We’ve heard recently that hot-rolled coil is available in the low $800s per ton for Q3 delivery to US ports. Last week, we’d heard that number was closer to $850-900 per ton. We’ve been told that price is available from a variety of places: South Korea, Turkey, and Vietnam. I would not be surprised if we start to see more European tons bumping up their Section 232 quota in Q3/Q4 at similar figures as ArcelorMittal ramps up capacity and as imports, which kept Europe from falling into a supply deficit earlier in the year, continue to put pressure on prices there.
Does that mean US HRC price will collapse? No. If you’re looking for a few hundred tons, I doubt there are any great deals to be had. If you’re looking to place 10,000 tons or more, it might be a very different story. We’ve heard you might be able to get below $1,000 per ton for very large orders. Those aren’t repeatable spot buys. So they wouldn’t fall into the low end of our price range. But, in a falling market, those outliers tend to become the prevailing price – albeit on a lag.
It’s a similar story with imports. Are US mills going to slash prices now to be competitive with imports that might not arrive until August/September? No. But have some quietly informed customers to think twice about buying foreign? Yes. Because those imports might not be such a good deal compared to domestic prices by the time they arrive.
I’d also keep a close eye on the automotive market. That’s partly because of upcoming contract negotiations with the United Auto Workers union. It’s also because fleet sales – think customers like rental car agencies – are up dramatically year over year. Cox Automotive reports that fleet sales are up 41% in Q1 2023 vs. the same period last year. Replenishing fleets is good source of pent-up demand. But fleet sales are also less profitable than sales to individuals, who are now grappling with high prices, high interest rates, and tighter credit. How much longer can the one offset the other?
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By Michael Cowden, michael@steelmarketupdate.com
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Cleveland-Cliffs Chairman, President and CEO Lourenco Goncalves had some insightful things to say today about the steel market and about a conference we suspect might be Steel Summit.
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Well, when you add in some commentary from respected peers in the steel industry to those pictures, that may shoot you up to five thousand words, at least. In that spirit, we’ve added some snapshots from our market survey this week, along with some comments from market participants.
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I thought we’d have more clarity this week on Section 232, Mexico, and a potential carve-out for steel melted and poured in Brazil. As of right now, the only official comment I have is from the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR).
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There are just 40 days left until the 2024 SMU Steel Summit gets underway on Aug. 26 at the Georgia International Convention Center (GICC) in Atlanta. And I’m pleased to announce that it's official now: More than 1,000 people have registered to at attend! Another big development: The desktop version of the networking app for the event has officially launched!